God’s Trying To Kill You

Posted By on Aug 19, 2012 | 14 comments


That’s what I heard while jogging.

Err, rather…slogging.

I can no longer claim that I jog when my thirteen-year-old walks the pace I run. We stumbled on this discovery last night.

I digress.

Listening to my FPEA Homeschool conference MP3, I replayed the last few seconds of Mark Hamby’s presentation just to be sure I heard this man correctly.

“God’s trying to kill you.”

Huh?

“God wants us to die to ourselves.”

Oh. And with this, the light bulb switched on.

“God brings conflicts in our lives… Satan is not the one that is causing problems in your life. A lot people blame Satan. Satan doesn’t even know who you are. He could care less who you are, and if he did, God is the one who has allowed him to do it. So God’s in control of the whole thing and when he does cause conflicts in our lives, he does it because he loves us,” Hamby suggested.

Now this perspective contradicted what I previously believed. I liked blaming the gnarly-faced red guy, picturing him frothing at the mouth, ready to trip me up. He’s easy to point a finger at.

But God?

Whether it’s sickness or another housing hiccup, could God use these things to perfect my faith which bring about His purpose in my life? I always thought the enemy roamed around, seeking to kill and destroy believers.

The quote Hamby used next caused me to wheeze heavily into my phone recorder in an attempt to capture such profound words.

Francois de Salignac de la Mothe-Fenelon

Francois de Salignac de la Mothe-Fenelon (Photo credit: Wikipedia)

“The Great Physician who sees in you what you cannot see, knows exactly where to place the knife; He cuts swift and deep into your innermost being exposing you for who you really are; but pain is only felt where there is life and where there is life is just the place where death is needed most. Except a grain of wheat fall into the ground and die it abides alone but if it dies it brings forth much fruit.” ~Francois Fenelon, author of Let Go

So which is it?

Does God desire to kill our selfish nature through hardships? Or, does the enemy, who’s been observing us since Genesis, seek to beat us down and rendered us useless for the Kingdom? Can it be both?

Update: Some of you asked how to comment. Scroll to the top right of the page and click on comment.

Thanks, Pastor Dan, for your insight. I’ve included your response below (emphasis added):

“Just a couple of thoughts. I don’t believe that our troubles come from God.
Jesus taught that He came that we might have life and have it more abundantly and that our enemy’s desire was to Steal, kill and destroy.

I also see in the New Testament that things like sickness for the believer are always ascribed as being sent by Satan. Jesus is constantly undoing Satan’s work

God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Spirit and power, and how he went around doing good and healing all who were under the power of the devil, because God was with him. Acts 10:38

Then should not this woman, a daughter of Abraham, whom Satan has kept bound for eighteen long years, be set free on the Sabbath day from what bound her?” Luke 13:16

We are also told that Jesus…is the radiance of His glory and the exact representation of His nature, Heb 1:3. That is, Jesus was doing in the physical realm what God The Father was doing in the Spiritual. So, it’s not like Jesus as God was bringing healing into the lives of believers and the Father was bringing disease. Not if He is the exact representation of The Father’s nature.

Jesus did promise that in this world we would have Tribulation. That comes from living in a fallen world and that “the god of this world )2 Cor.4:4)” who is Satan is actively working to bring destruction.

God doesn’t send it but He promises to use it:
And we know that God causes all things to work together for good to those who love God, to those who are called according to His purpose. Rom 8:28

Who comforts us in all our affliction so that we will be able to comfort those who are in any affliction with the comfort with which we ourselves are comforted by God. 2 Cor 1:4

So, I get what the speaker was saying but I probably wouldn’t use his terminology. God is always pruning in our lives. However, removing sin and things that hinder is very different than sending disease. Just some thoughts”

~Dan

14 Comments

  1. I think it’s both. Not all our troubles come from God. And to say so is the cause of much much pain for people who are the victims of evil. But if we can seek, praise and be at peace in God’s ultimate triumph then the cause of the attack is irrelevant. For the people in the towers on 9/11, was it worse because the attack was intentional? I don’t think so. It is our response to conflict. If we can seek God in all things and praise him during all times: we win, God wins and the horns/pitch fork guy loses.

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    • I’d have to say, I think I agree. I’d like to agree. This would help me sleep better at night, although I do understand why God would allow some hardships if He knew it would bring us closer to Him. I know personally when I encounter those sticky situations, I turn to God out of desperation and guidance–so I could see the direction Mr. Hamby was taking his audience.

      Thanks for chiming in.

      Blessings,

      Dab :)

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  2. Looked some things up maybe this will help. I found it very interesting myself:) Sorry that it’s long.
    “Now the Spirit of the LORD had departed from Saul, and an evil spirit from the LORD tormented him” (1 Samuel 16:14). This is also menti
    oned in 1 Samuel 16:15-16, 23, 18:10, and 19:9. God sent a demon “evil spirit” to torment Saul. Saul had directly disobeyed God on two occasions (1Samuel 13:1-14; 15:1-35). Therefore, God removed His Spirit from Saul and allowed an evil spirit to torment him. Likely, Satan and the demons had always wanted to attack Saul, God was now simply giving them permission to do so.

    This leads to a related question – does God send evil spirits to torment people today? There are examples of individuals in the New Testament being turned over to Satan or demons for punishment. God allowed Ananias and Sapphira to be filled with the spirit of Satan as a warning and example to the early church (Acts 5:1-11). A man in the Corinthian church was committing incest and adultery, and God commanded the leaders to “hand him over to Satan” to destroy his sinful nature and save his soul (1 Corinthians 5:1-5). Jesus was led by the Spirit into the desert to be tried and tested by the devil (Matthew 4:1-11). God also allowed a messenger of Satan to torment the Apostle Paul in order to teach him to rely on God’s grace and power and not become conceited because of the tremendous abundance of spiritual truth he was given (2 Corinthians 12:7).

    If God does allow evil spirits to torment people today, He does so with the goal of our good and His glory (Romans 8:28). Even though the demons are evil, they are still under God’s sovereign control. Just as in Job’s case, Satan and his minions can do only what God allows them to do (Job 1:12; 2:6). They never act independently of God’s sovereign and perfect will and purpose. If believers suspect they are being tormented by demonic forces, the first response is to repent of any known sin. Then we should ask for wisdom to understand what we are to learn from the situation. Then we are to submit to whatever God has allowed in our lives, trusting that it will result in the building up of our faith and the glory of God.

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    • Wow. Thanks for taking the time to dig these scriptures up. Looks like I have some homework to do.

      Thanks!

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  3. Just a couple of thoughts. I don’t believe that our troubles come from God.
    Jesus taught that He came that we might have life and have it more abundantly and that our enemy’s desire was to Steal, kill and destroy.

    I also see in the New Testament that things like sickness for the believer are always ascribed as being sent by Satan. Jesus is constantly undoing Satan’s work

    God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Spirit and power, and how he went around doing good and healing all who were under the power of the devil, because God was with him. Acts 10:38

    Then should not this woman, a daughter of Abraham, whom Satan has kept bound for eighteen long years, be set free on the Sabbath day from what bound her?” Luke 13:16

    We are also told that Jesus…is the radiance of His glory and the exact representation of His nature, Heb 1:3. That is, Jesus was doing in the physical realm what God The Father was doing in the Spiritual. So, it’s not like Jesus as God was bringing healing into the lives of believers and the Father was brining disease. Not if He is the exact representation of The Father’s nature.

    Jesus did promise that in this world we would have Tribulation. That comes from living in a fallen world and that “the god of this world )2 Cor.4:4)” who is Satan is actively working to bring destruction.

    God doesn’t send it but He promises to use it:
    And we know that God causes all things to work together for good to those who love God, to those who are called according to His purpose. Rom 8:28

    Who comforts us in all our affliction so that we will be able to comfort those who are in any affliction with the comfort with which we ourselves are comforted by God. 2 Cor 1:4

    So, I get what the speaker was saying but I probably wouldn’t use his terminology. God is always pruning in our lives. However, removing sin and things that hinder is very different than sending disease. Just some thoughts

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    • Dan,

      This clarifies many of my questions, and what you’ve written is more in line with what I ascribe to. I believe the enemy wants to see me fail and will throw anything in my path to do so. Sounds funny writing it, but it seems during those times when I’m walking the closest with the Lord that more hardships and distractions come my way. This could be circumstantial, but thinking that God would throw more on my plate when I’m actively seeking Him sounds contradictory. I’m aware that I will forever need pruning….I just think there is a darker entity who enjoys seeing believers struggle.

      Now, looking at the times when I wasn’t walking with the Lord, I could understand why God would allow hiccups to bring me back to him.

      Ok. Sorry for blathering. :)

      Thanks for sharing your thoughts.

      Dab

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    • Thanks, Dan. Your reply sums up what I was feeling and having a hard time giving voice to. And, Dab, your blog is thought provoking and provides a great forum for us to continue reaching out to another for the Kingdom. Plus, you’re just plain witty and fun to read. Keep it up, girl.

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    • I think Satan can affect our paisychl bodies, but only insofar as God allows it. I doubt God would allow it to the point where we could not keep His commandments. Look at Job Satan affected a great deal more than his paisychl body. (And lest you say the story of Job is allegorical, I will clarify Satan can certainly effect things that will affect your paisychl body. Look at war, sex crimes, etc. It’s all a matter of how his influence affects it.)Hope that was confusing enough.

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  4. God’s trying to kill me.
    You certainly got my attention with that.
    And while I love to jump into a good debate, I am going to pass tonight.
    I am going to cling to the truth that God is working all things for good in my life — no matter where they come from. I am going to remember that God isn’t finished with me yet (thank God) and remind myself that He says I am a new creature — that old things have passed away. Sometimes I forget the most elementary of truths — like that one.
    And I walk around acting no different than I was B.C. (Before Christ.)

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    • why would God allow Satan to intervene with Anyone?for that mttear, did God & Satan collaborate regarding Job?I think the whole thought is rather silly.Thoughts preceed actions.I can understand when I have bad thoughts about others, why should I blame them on someone else? Our life is shaped by our mind; we become what we think. Suffering follows an evil thought as the wheels of a cart follow the oxen that draws it. Our life is shaped by our mind; we become what we think. Joy follows a pure thought like a shadow that never leaves. Buddah

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  5. I stumbled upon your post here as I was looking up the Francois Fenelon quote. Just something to ponder…If God is not totally sovereign over ALL things…including what we see as awful and tragic can we truly call him God? I believe once we begin to see Him as a King who reigns over every aspect of His creation, (which is how Scripture describes Him), we will truly begin to understand our own frailty and see how utterly dependent we are on His mercy and grace. ALL praise and glory belong to Him. If you desire some excellent teaching with this outlook in mind, you will find it here under the “sermons” page:http://www.emmanuelsgf.com/Emmanuel_Sovereign_Grace_Fellowship/Welcome.html. Prayers for your spiritual journey as you seek the Savior…

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    • Bless you for posting this. I’ll certainly check these sermons out.

      Thank you,
      Dabney

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      • I hope you will. I know you will be blessed by many of them. :)

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